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Ideas to aggressively delete or mostly blank poor-quality entries

I am currently streaming a video conference about the Cherokee language and language-revitalization efforts from Western Carolina University's Cherokee Language program[1] where Dr. Hartwell Francis, the former director, is speaking. To paraphrase him, he stated that the Cherokee-language community has been aware of this project for a decade, but that many of the current Wikipedia articles are of remarkably poor quality because of the influence of bot-generated entries. This makes even looking at them incredibly demotivating because the challenge of fixing them is so daunting. Thus, he suggests cleaning up the project and perhaps revitalizing it through aggressive deleting of low-quality entries.

A possible alternative to mass deletion might be mass partial blanking to encourage more human-created edits. A poor quality article could be reduced to some boiler-plate text like "XXX is in need of an article" or "XXX had the previous article replaced with this text because it was poor-quality, but please feel free to begin a new article now", but in Cherokee. I am not a Cherokee-speaker, but I could help make these edits (or teach someone else to) if a boiler-plate text and a list of the low-quality demotivating entries were provided. I plan to notify Dr. Hartwell Francis about this thread, and let him know that I believe an bold approach like this is warranted (and feasible) in order to deal with what appears like a stagnant project. Any ideas? Biosthmors (talk) 16:00, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

ᏏᏲ, I'm from a Cherokee community in Oklahoma, as we are trying hard to get everyone involved in properly learning our language here and else where, when coming across these bot driven is so irritating. I've read and commented on some of the other comments trying to correct the mass of mistakes and misinformation on here, I've references before that the entire governing body of the Cherokee Nation as a whole needs to figure out how to if not outright eliminate these sites to stop further corruption of our language at least find out how to better monitor and correct the problems. 2600:387:1:817:0:0:0:89 08:44, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

Ping to User:Ooswesthoesbes, who I see has helped start short articles here (for example ᏣᎳᎩ ᎫᎾᏕᎶᏆᏍᏗ ᏚᏓᏥᏍᎬᎢ). Biosthmors (talk) 16:16, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

If partial blanking or mass deletion of those pages results in more activity from native (or at least fluent) speakers, I have no objections :) Although I believe pages like ᏅᏃᎯ are also important to look at, as they seem to be bot generated articles which are not fully translated and probably incorrectly as well. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 16:35, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Ooswesthoesbes. For ᏅᏃᎯ, yes, I'd guess, just based on hearing people talk about Cherokee Wikipedia, that a lot is probably incorrectly translated. The concept of turning articles into much shorter versions of themselves ("stubs") should also be considered. (For reference, on English Wikipedia the concept is referred to as "stubifying".) If a couple sentences of useful content can be preserved or generated, then massively chopping a gargantuan poor-quality article down to a factual sentence or short paragraph is also a significant improvement. Biosthmors (talk) 17:20, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Cherokee Wikipedia is a 2007 guinea pig victim of an experiment in machine translation run by Jeffrey Merkey. The **** was just dumped onto the pages en masse. Any page longer than one sentence was produced by a computer program, and no human ever looked at it. Seb az86556 (talk) 21:41, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I found this showing more info about their contributions elsewhere. Biosthmors (talk) 21:53, 27 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

It's a very bad situation indeed. Automatic translation is especially bad when used for languages that are totally unrelated and function with a different grammar, such as from English to Cherokee. I propose to use a bot to add a template on top of all pages, so we can work to a way to fix them. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 13:41, 28 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

My understanding is that there are several hundred articles on this wiki? I've been clicking the random page generator button (top left "ᎤᏍᏆᏂᎪᏗ ᎤᏆᏓᏛ", for anyone who doesn't know] and blanking down to "Subject ...", as I just did here. This is blunt, but I just want to get started. I did see someone edit a page on this wiki to add a category, marking an article as machine translated. Maybe most of the horrendous articles are already categorized? I'll post that category when/if I find it. Biosthmors (talk) 18:11, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Category:Machine-translated articles. So after one cleans one up, remove the category? I just did this with ᏓᎬᎾ ᏥᏳ ᏗᏔᎳᏗᏍᏗ ᏚᎦᏘᎸᏒᎢ. Biosthmors (talk) 18:31, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

908 articles on chr wikipedia as of february, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 22:53, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

If we just had a list of articles on here sorted by size that would really help, since the large ones appear to be the garbage ones. Biosthmors (talk) 23:26, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Special:LongPages is the link for this. Biosthmors (talk) 14:32, 3 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC) Thanks Biosthmors

I now start from number 5 6 7 8 9 10 13 or below in that list to find candidates to cleanup, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 15:33, 17 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

That's good :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 14:59, 18 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Biosthmors for starting this conversation and Ooswesthoesbes and Seb az86556 for providing context and clarification on the machine translation debacle. I see that editor was banned from Wikipedia a decade ago.

I also gave some remarks at the symposium at Western Carolina (I'm Derek). I think there would be interest in organizing an edit-a-thon out at Western Carolina, and hopefully we could get some of the fluent speakers to attend along with advanced learners. It would be great if, in preparation, we could clean all the garbage articles out. I like the idea of blanking them with boilerplate. It would be nice if there was a bot to do this, but if there are just a few hundred articles, we could probably get it done manually? I'm not a speaker, but could coordinate the translation of the boilerplate or template by a fluent speaker.

What else should we be considering if we wanted to reboot this project with an edit-a-thon? --R12ntech (talk) 18:24, 9 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we can get a user run a bot to mark all pages automatically. That shouldn't be too much work. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:18, 10 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Shall I make a request so someone will run a bot on this wiki to mark all pages with a category like [[Category:To be checked]]? Or would you prefer the category to have another name? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:23, 13 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

That would be great, thanks. --R12ntech (talk) 15:40, 13 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

A user has already indicated she is willing to help us out :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 16:28, 18 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Is it correct that simply all pages in the main namespace should be added to the category "To be checked"? Should I run my bot with or without a bot flag? --MF-Warburg (talk) 12:12, 19 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. As there are virtually no edits on this wiki, I think a bot flag is not necessary. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:34, 20 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Done. By the way, I also unprotected a lot of pages in the Wikipedia namespace, see Special:Log/protect, which might be worth to look at / update / delete / ... --MF-Warburg (talk) 12:59, 20 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Hopefully we can address the issue soon :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 14:53, 20 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

@Biosthmors, if you look here, Cherokee is currently at the top of the "100+ articles" list. If you start mass blanking and/deleting existing pages, then Cherokee's ranking in the list would decrease to near the bottom. In the past, language editions such as Chamorro, Dzongkha, Sango, Venda, Kirundi, Inupiak, Inuktitut, Xitsonga were all proposed by various users for Closure due to the low number of articles and no native speakers contributing, Language projects that were closed down (ie. locked down) include Ndonga, Choctaw, Kuanyama, Marshallese, Hiri Motu, Afar and Muscogee.

Even Zulu wikipedia was proposed for closure in the past, now would anyone even think of closing Zulu Wikipedia?

Mass deletion/blanking of pages will not result in a revival of Cherokee wikipedia, it would result in its continued stagnation and attract zero native speakers to edit here. Imagine if all the stubs of Kashmiri Wikipedia were deleted right now, would a flood of Kashmiris start editing there? Highly unlikely. There are other methods that can be utilized to revive a Wikipedia project and they ought to be explored. --Philip J (talk) 04:18, 27 ᎧᎦᎵ 2019 (UTC)

There are 16,000 Cherokee speakers. If each Cherokee speaker created 1 article on Cherokee Wikipedia, then there will be 16,000 articles. Just ensure that they create good quality articles and not short 1 sentence stubs. The New Kituwah Academy teaches Cherokee to students. Maybe they can be contacted to participate here as part of a school classroom project? --Philip J (talk) 04:32, 27 ᎧᎦᎵ 2019 (UTC)

The biggest problem here is that there are 0 contributors with enough knowledge to create true articles. Contacting the Cherokee nation has been tried earlier, maybe through the wrong channels.

It should be noted that inactivity or no contents is generally no longer considered to be a valid reason to lock or delete a wiki nowadays. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:40, 27 ᎧᎦᎵ 2019 (UTC)

Random thoughts for someone knowledgeable about Cherokee

• I searched for ᎠᎹᏍᎧᎦᎯ at cherokeedictionary.net but there were no hits. I noticed that one source defined a waterfall as ᎠᎹ ᎦᏙᎣᏍᎬᎢ, but I believe that was derived from a self-published source, for what it's worth. I wonder if it is an incorrect title. Biosthmors (talk) 10:14, 2 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
  • That website didn't have a definition for badger, so it's not as comprehensive as I was hoping, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 16:56, 2 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
    • When the ancient Cherokee saw waterfalls I am sure they believed them to be mystical. ᎠᎹ ᎦᏙᎣᏍᎬᎢ refers to nothing that I can find or have been taught. However, it may be derived from an "overfill of water", "absess or abundance of water", or even a "flood". What I do know is the Cherokee held, and for some still do hold, that water has a Spiritual connection to us and therefore the word(s) for waterfall have other meanings. ᎠᎹᏍᎧᎦᎯ means "waterfall" but also a name for "Water Spirits". ᎠᏥᎳᏗᏰᎯ, another word for "waterfall", also is a name given for the "Will o' the Wisp" which we now know to be the phenomenon when gases are released from a swamp and produce a light like a floating orb but to the ancient Cherokee would be seen as having Spirit connections. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:51, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

  Being that the Cherokee language is a descriptive language and not just a general reference along with each waterfall having different characteristics and uses each community originally described waterfalls differently and so they were called different names. 2600:387:1:817:0:0:0:89 11:54, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

• I'm surprised to see that Jupiter ᏧᏈᏓ has Cherokee names for 50 of its moons. Where could that be verified? The word list cited in the article doesn't go into that kind of detail. Biosthmors (talk) 23:00, 2 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

• ᏓᏆ is linked, through Wikidata I presume, as being about baleen whales. But the consortium word list states ᏓᏆ just means whale. Biosthmors (talk) 17:12, 6 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
  • Now fixed. Biosthmors (talk) 16:11, 9 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

• Category:ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ shows the word being used most commonly for economics here, but ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ (my emphasis) is given when one searches for a match at http://cherokeedictionary.net/ Biosthmors (talk) 20:08, 2 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
  • Shall I move the category to the correct form "ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ", including all the pages that are in it? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:52, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
    • Maybe we should wait for someone who knows more about Cherokee to comment? I've heard some words can be represented with alternate forms. But if you want to be bold and go ahead and do so, I wouldn't object. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 19:27, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
      • Is there a difference between "economy" and "economics" in English? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 4 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
        • Yes. Why do you ask about that? ᎠᎵᏏᏅᏙᏗ is given as economy in the Noquisis word list, for what it's worth. And I'm assuming a bit that ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ means economics anyhow, from context. A recent post here shows two varieties (Eastern and Western) for the word for en:w:Fire Pink, for what it's worth. I wonder if ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ and ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ are just two different dialectal forms. Biosthmors (talk) 23:55, 5 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
          • In that case, let's leave it for now. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:24, 7 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
            • @Biosthmors@Ooswesthoesbes I hope tagging you both is ok. Biosthmors is correct in the dialectal differences. The Eastern or Kituwah dialect uses "ts" in place of the more widely used "tl" in the Western or Overhill dialect. These differences are not only found in written but also spoken Cherokee. "Ts" in the Western dialect is spoken as a soft "J" as in jaw. At any rate, ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ is most often used for "economics" while ᎠᎵᏏᏅᏙ is used for "economy". For what it is worth, Economic is ᎠᎳᏏᏅᏙᏗ while Economical is ᎠᎳᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗ, respectively. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:22, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)
              • Tagging is always okay. That way people get a message and know there is something to read here. :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 17:14, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)
  • The word "ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ" appears to be the result of a bad transliteration conversion. It transliterates to "analisinahisdisgi". The word "ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ" also transliterates to analisinahisdisgi. The first form with "ᏀᎢ' in the middle is incorrect. Reasoning: "Ꮐ" is an obsolete glyph that is not used and has not been used since nearly the creation of the Syllabary (relatively speaking). --ᎹᎦᎵ

• I wonder what ᏅᏓ ᎢᎦ ᎡᎯ ᎤᏪᏥ ᎠᎨᏳᏣ means and if there an English-language Wikipedia article on the same topic. Biosthmors (talk) 22:10, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2018 (UTC)
  • The only words I think I can out of it are "sun", "son" and "girl", so maybe it's somekind of story/myth? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:48, 6 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2018 (UTC)

Interface translation

This Wikipedia was created before the Incubator system, so there has apparently never been a major push to complete the interface translation. If anyone wants to work on this, the Cherokee portal on translatewiki is here: [2], and the direct link to the "most important messages" for the Mediawiki interface is here: [3]

Here's a brief article on the topic: Translating the software that powers Wikipedia --R12ntech (talk) 19:32, 11 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for these links. One of the interface links I have been creating a decent amount is one via Template:Commons. However, I just(diff) unlinked the term ᏫᎩᎻᏗᎠ ᎪᎼᏄᏍ in this template because I'm guessing ᏫᎩᎻᏗᎠ ᎪᎼᏄᏍ means Wikimedia Commons and a separate link to/about that project seems slightly spammy, as if we're promoting Wikimedia Foundation wikis over other sources. Biosthmors (talk) 15:22, 19 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2018 (UTC)

It would be nice to have Template:Stub translated into Cherokee. Biosthmors (talk) 13:07, 15 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Yes, any idea how to translate this? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:44, 19 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Admin

Considering we probably got a lot of clean-up work to do, I want to request admin rights to delete unsalvageable pages, so we don't get a way too long backlog. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 14:59, 18 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Temporary admin access has been granted, so I can delete pages now for clean up. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:13, 1 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Cool. Would it be reasonable for you to post here (or somewhere else) what you might delete and why? Maybe we could use this thread as a place to propose/discuss/act upon articles people think would be better off deleted. To begin, I've noticed some random pages around here, such as Zemeros flegyas, a S. and SE Asian butterfly species, or Ayyavazhi, a Hindu denomination. I would guess that those articles would be good candidates to delete because they are in no way connected to the Cherokee language, culture, or history, as far as I am aware. (Actually I notice that Ooswesthoesbes you created the one on the butterfly, for what it's worth.) Biosthmors (talk) 20:22, 2 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Sure, post them here.

Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is an ideal platform for Sprachausbau: showing that the Cherokee language is more than just connected to its own culture, and can be used to discuss everything in all domains (including things on the other side of the world, or even further). A more valid reason to delete Zemeros flegyas would be that it has no real contents except for an image and the chances are low that it will be expanded. (As you are aware, I have only superficial knowledge of Cherokee and can't write my own sentences. I created the article a long time ago. Then they wanted to close this wiki, and I tried to do some activity to prevent closure). --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:50, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I agree with what you're saying about Sprachausbau. I'd say the unlikeliness that it will be expanded would be the best reason. My cleanup activities around here (example) are premised on the idea that the beginning of a sentence (despite it not containing any significant content) will make it easier for someone to write a decent introductory sentence or two on a topic. Biosthmors (talk) 19:22, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Sure :) Mark any page you see fit for deletion with {{Delete}}, and I'll run through them. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 4 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ means rouge according to http://cherokeedictionary.net/ , but it is currently the title of the article for color. Color appears to be ᏗᎧᏃᏗ, which is currently only a redirect to ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ. Perhaps we should delete the redirect at ᏗᎧᏃᏗ and move the color article there, then delete the leftover redirect for ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ? Biosthmors (talk) 19:37, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Done. However, I kept the redirect for now, as it is linked a lot. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 4 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I have personally used ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ for color and ᏗᏑᏫᏍᏗ for colors but ᏗᎧᏃᏗ is listed as the word for color in many dictionaries and word lists. Thank you for keeping this as a redirect @Ooswesthoesbes. Perhaps the confusion is that rouge is color and therefore the words are interchangeable. I don't believe either is incorrect at this point. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:12, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

Delete?

I placed {{Delete}} on Sung Jae-gi. I think we should delete it because it seems unlikely it will ever be expanded to contain quality Cherokee-language content. I also don't like the idea that it has an English name as a title, but I imagine that can't be avoided sometimes. For comparison, at en:w:Sung Jae-gi, the article has been getting an average of 12 page views a day, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 16:33, 15 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

That page is just POV-pushing spam (self-promotional), so it's gone. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:53, 16 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᏩᎦᏧᎧᏅᏍᏕᎾ ᎤᏂᎾᏗᏅᏗ, an article on market trends. I think this article should be deleted because it is a highly specialized topic that is unlikely to be edited, was machine-translated, and seems better scrubbed from the site than to even leave a stub. The article hasn't had any significant edits in the last 12 or so years. I only see that some minor edits (such as fixing transliterations into the Cherokee script) have been made. Biosthmors (talk) 02:36, 23 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I agree, it is way too specific for now. It's better to focus on articles with more priority. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:49, 23 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I marked ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ because it appears to be a common word for flower (but can also mean either rose or orchid per the online dictionary) that is currently redirecting to the rose article. Flower (ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ) is a fundamental topic that should exist as a red link until a standalone article is created, in my opinion. Biosthmors (talk) 02:19, 25 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Agreed :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:29, 25 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I would leave this as is. ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ is used for "flowers". I have seen ᎠᏂᎠᏥᎳᏍ used for "flowers" too. Flower(singular) is most often spelled ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ(blossom) or ᎱᏥᎸᎭ but I have even seen it shortened to ᎠᏥᎳᏍ or ᏥᎳ. Rose could be my namesake, ᏥᏍᏚᎾᎩᏍᎧ(Wild Rose), or both ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ(plural) and ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ(singular), respectively. I have seen ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ used to refer to orchid before. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 12:39, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

I marked ᎠᏓᏍᏕᎸᏗ with {{Delete}}. It took me longer than usual to get a decent idea about what's the topic of the article. The online dictionary gives definitions of aid, charity, rescue, assist, protect, intercede, and relief for the term. Wikidata thinks it's about the Great Commandment. One reason I'm of the opinion to delete is because there isn't an apparent lead section/first sentence to orient readers. (ᎧᏁᏨ means word so I'm guessing that first section is about etymology?) For what it's worth, en:w:Charity (virtue) and en:w:Charity (practice) are separate topics on English Wikipedia. It seems charity is the topic of the article. There have been no significant edits to the article in the last 12 years, only minor changes from Roman letters into the Cherokee syllabary since the machine-translated data dump. It just seems better to delete this one to me. Biosthmors (talk) 17:56, 29 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Done. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 12:27, 30 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I did not get to see the content of the article prior to deletion but if it was not depicting the act of offering aid, charity, assistance, protection or intercession or the action of rescuing then it was probably incorrectly attributed. ᎠᏓᏍᏕᎸᏗ is a word of action, not a simple virtue. Good catch! --Tsistunagiska (talk) 12:49, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎪᎱᏍᏗ ᎬᏔᏂᏓᏍᏗ. This machine-translated article is intended to be about tools. However, the term ᎪᎱᏍᏗ ᎬᏔᏂᏓᏍᏗ is defined as instruments in the Cherokee online dictionary. (Another term is used for tools.) It appears this article is so bad that it can't even get the title right. We might as well scrap it. Biosthmors (talk) 13:31, 8 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

ᎪᎱᏍᏗᎬᏔᏂᏓᏍᏗ does mean "instrument" but can also refer to a "tool" to complete a task. When referring to "tools"(plural) then ᎪᎱᏍᏗᏗᎬᏔᏂᏓᏍᏗ is used. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:00, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

Similarly, I placed {{Delete}} on ᏁᎵᏒ. It is supposed to be about thought, but the dictionary defines it as assumed. Another word is given for thought. Biosthmors (talk) 23:34, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

This is a case where the bot (if used) most likely took Nelisv and split the syllables as Ne-li-sv which is ᏁᎵᏒ, however, the proper split is Ne-li-s-v which is ᏁᎵᏍᎥ. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:13, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

And I placed {{Delete}} on ᏕᎦᏃᏣᎸ because it is machine-translated to be about telegraphy, but the dictionary defines ᏕᎦᏃᏣᎸ as publication. For what it's worth, the dictionary says telegram is ᎠᎾᎦᎳᏔᏅ. Biosthmors (talk) 13:08, 13 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I'll deal with those pages once I get the necessary tools. Did you forget to place the deletion template on ᏕᎦᏃᏣᎸ or have you changed your mind? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:00, 14 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Great. Yes, I forgot to place the template. I'll do that now. Thank you. Biosthmors (talk) 13:09, 14 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Please delete Coat of Arms. It's drive by tagging/vandalism. Biosthmors (talk) 00:50, 24 ᎧᏩᏂ 2019 (UTC)

Done. If any new pages are created by vandalism, you can just tag them. I will regularly check Recent changes anyway :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:14, 24 ᎧᏩᏂ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎦᎸᎳᏗᏦᏒ ᎠᏓᏅᏒ ᏧᎾᏁᎶᏗᎢ with the following rationale: One can see the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Heaven_Sent_Gaming for example. I would suspect this article was established for promotional purposes. It's just not important enough for an article here. Biosthmors (talk) 19:54, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎧᎹᎹ ᎤᏔᎾ. The article is about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantidae but we don't even have an article on elephant at the moment here. This topic is just too technical to be useful at this point in time on this project, in my opinion. Biosthmors (talk) 20:00, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

Similarly, I placed on {{Delete}} on ᏏᏆᎤᏤᏣᏍᏗ as it's also a technical biological concept ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6584653 ). I went ahead and deleted the link back to that Cherokee article on Wikidata. I also went ahead and created an article on opossum with a picture (ᏏᏆ ᎤᏤᏥᏍᏗ), since we didn't previously have one. Biosthmors (talk) 21:57, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on Zemeros flegyas. It's an Asian species of butterfly, and I don't see how there would be a Cherokee word for it. There were no hits when searching for the English word "Zemeros" in the Cherokee online dictionary. Honestly, I don't see why we should host obscure articles here that have no conceivable connection to the Cherokee language. I feel like this encyclopedia needs to prioritize things that are relevant in Cherokee if we are to attract those wishing to preserve and revitalize the language. Any article we host here, in my opinion, is an implicit request for contributions from those with Cherokee knowledge. And since Cherokee is endangered, and that resource (Cherokee knowledge) is exceedingly scarce, I feel like we should be mindful of that and typically only host relevant concepts or things of general interest to a global population. (A random Polish town or village would not qualify, for example. I recall seeing those on this site.) For examples of relevant concepts in Cherokee, this link shows files with terms for animals, insects, and plants that are documented on the Cherokee Nation website. Biosthmors (talk) 20:35, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎠᏣᏅᏙ. This word is defined as ornament, and despite that, this title used to host the article on plasma, which has been moved and is now at ᎩᎦ ᎤᎸᏌᏓ. An inappropriate redirect remains. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 18:26, 29 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed on {{Delete}} on Ayyavazhi. It is a Hindu denomination of 8 to 10 million people according to the English Wikipedia. One day when there's an article on Hinduism (one doesn't currently exists according to Wikidata) perhaps it can be mentioned there. This topic is too specialized for this project's purposes at this moment. When so many things that do have Cherokee words for them aren't covered here I just don't see the point. The same goes for Carl Menger. Perhaps he could be mentioned on an economics article should one be written. I placed the delete template there as well. Biosthmors (talk) 23:39, 29 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on the redirect ᎠᏬᎭᎵ. It redirects to the concept of eagle, however it appears that this redirect is main word for eagle according to a dictionary search. So I propose moving ᏬᎭᎵ (eagle) there when it is deleted. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 20:06, 13 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎢᏃᎵ. It is currently linked to Wikidata as the American badger. However, I can't find a word for badger on the online dictionary. There also isn't a word for badger on the Cherokee Nation poster of animals.[4] However, I did find the word ᎢᏃᎵ on the Consortium Word List, which says it means "black fox". After looking that up it might refer to a historical person as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Fox_(Cherokee_chief) or to an animal as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_fox_(animal) , or both concepts perhaps. I propose deleting it for now as it appears we have it wrong for the moment. Biosthmors (talk) 20:19, 13 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

The Cherokee word for badger is ᎤᎫᎾ. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:36, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎬᏂᎨᏧᎵ. I couldn't find any evidence that this was the correct word for the red fox. For what it's worth, ᏧᎵ is the accepted word for fox according to the Cherokee Nation poster of animals. Biosthmors (talk) 20:28, 13 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

ᏧᎳ seems to be the current entry on fox for what it's worth. Maybe ᏧᎳ and ᏧᎵ are synonyms. To be determined. Biosthmors (talk) 17:45, 14 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

The Cherokee Nation word list[5] gives ᏧᎳ for fox. Interesting. The Raven Rock/Eastern dialect dictionary gives ᏧᎳ ᎩᎦᎨ for the red fox. Both the Noquisis word list and the Raven Rock Dictionary give ᏧᎳ for fox, so with three sources I think it's safe to say ᏧᎳ is the predominant word for fox. Biosthmors (talk) 17:19, 20 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

ᎬᏂᎨ is described as "the color of death" which also refers to black and used in many names of animals such as black bear (ᎬᏂᎨᏲᎾ). ᎩᎦᎨ is the color of red. ᏧᎵ may refer to the plural of fox and therefore when speaking of the entire species of black fox you may refer to it as ᎬᏂᎨᏧᎵ. ᏧᎵ also appears in words like ᏧᎵᎬᏩᎳᏅᎯ which means "process". To your later point, ᏧᎳ is also accepted as the written word for "fox" but may refer to a single fox. That would justify the differences between what is written in the above mentioned poster and the words you located in the dictionaries. It could also be differences in the dialects as I am studying the Western Dialect, which is more commonly used. ᎢᏃᎵ does refer to Chief Blackfox of the Cherokee and not the animal.--Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:32, 3 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᏗᏂᏃᎨᏂ because the dictionary says it is defined as "arms" but right now it is tied to the concept of rifle via Wikidata. When you go to the dictionary to search for arm, then you see that ᏗᎧᏃᎨᏂ is the NC medical definition for arms. And ᎦᏃᎨᏂ is given as the term for his arm. Given that all of these words have ᏃᎨᏂ in them, I suspect this is a biological term, and not one for armaments. Given the ambiguity, and the fact there's no real content, I say we should just delete it. Biosthmors (talk) 20:34, 15 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on Ꮄꭲꮹ. It appears someone interested in Japanese culture added the article, but it isn't a Cherokee word I think it's safe to assume. If we're proven wrong later, the article can be recreated. I also placed the delete template on Ꮌꮩ Ꭶꭰꮚꭱꮎ Ꮙꮚꮎ Ꮤꮳ as it is something relevant in Japanese but not in Cherokee, I presume. Ethnologue says ~1500 people speak Cherokee right now. I imagine they are talking about something else in Cherokee than random things that are concepts in Japanese. Biosthmors (talk) 18:04, 17 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎠᏫᏳᏍᏘ. I could not find a match for antelope in the either online dictionary or the animals poster. I don't know how we can make sure this is the right word. For what it's worth, the google definition says that antelope are African and/or Asian, so I'm not sure a Cherokee word for them even exists. And as an aside, specific Cherokee words for bird species abound. I'm guessing we're missing a lot of those articles. Biosthmors (talk) 20:47, 17 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I can imagine words for non-native animals exist. In Limburgish, we've got words like tieger too, while tigers do not natively occur in our region. For now, I'd give this one the benefit of the doubt. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:17, 20 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

ᎠᏫᏳᏍᏘ is the Cherokee word for antelope. This one is correct. There are multiple word dictionaries on the internet. I am working to consolidate most into one but it is an arduous task as I am adamant about accuracy. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:53, 3 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᏡᎬᎢ. It is a redirect to the current tree article ᏡᎬ, but I find ᏡᎬᎢ more frequently as the word for tree in the dictionary. Also, for what it's worth, ᏡᎬ is only defined in the online dictionary as a Microsoft computing term for a data tree. I guess leaving it as a redirect to ᏡᎬᎢ is fine though. Biosthmors (talk) 16:51, 21 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

• ᏡᎬᎢ or ᏡᎬ have been used as "tree". I have also seen ᏣᎵᎫ and ᎢᏢᎬ used to describe a tree, however that may have been to represent a specific species of tree and not a tree in general. ᏕᏡᎬ has been used to describe trees in plural. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:42, 5 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

Prolonging temporary admin access

@Biosthmors and other users: my admin access expires on the 30th of July. I would like to prolong it, as I have used it a few times the past three months. I hope you agree with that :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:11, 21 ᎫᏰᏉᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Works for me! Biosthmors (talk) 16:34, 22 ᎫᏰᏉᏂ 2018 (UTC)

They've prolonged it for half a year, to expire on 30 January :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:18, 31 ᎫᏰᏉᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Is it time for another renewal Ooswesthoesbes, or did they already grant you the user rights again? Best. Biosthmors (talk) 21:18, 9 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

No, I'll make the announcement :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:39, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Temporary admin access again

Dear people, as my admin access expired over a month ago, I would like to reapply if you all agree :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:40, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 13:38, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I informed meta here. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:47, 19 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Granted for 6 months. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 16:29, 19 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Site notice

The site notice posts "Do you speak ᏣᎳᎩ ᎧᏬᏂᎯᏍᏗ? Help us to revive the Cherokee Wikipedia! Discuss the future of this project on ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ." for all newcomers to view I presume, and I just never dismiss it. I use the link to ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ to come here from time to time. But no matter what Cherokee Wikipedia page I view right now, the link to ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ is bold and doesn't actually link here. Any ideas? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 13:42, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Well it's an active link again, and I guess I just closed out a browser window and reopened one. I'm don't know what would cause this. Biosthmors (talk) 13:52, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

It must be, as for me it is functioning just fine too. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:55, 14 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Hi guys

I'm one of those that originally tried to whip up some steam in regards to this Cherokee Wiki a million years ago (I added the Cherokee keyboard under the edit box etc). I'm glad to see some more people being active. I am nowhere near a good speaker though, so mostly I just help in the background. I just wanted to say I'm here too! Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 18:14, 28 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Hello there! Thanks for your contributions, and thanks for saying hello. I saw this in the news about students writing in Cherokee. Maybe reaching out to tsalagi dideloquasdi, the Cherokee immersion school in Tahlequah, Oklahoma, is worth a shot? I wish I knew more Cherokee, but I just know a tiny amount. But I'm happy to help answer questions about editing here if someone with Cherokee knowledge has any questions. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 01:48, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Hi! :) That might be a good idea indeed. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:18, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Hello again Nesnad! I was wondering if you might be able to help out with something (two somethings actually). First, what does ᏛᎿᎢ ᏙᎪᏪᎸ mean? I tried to look those words up at http://www.cherokeedictionary.net/ but I didn't get any hits. Also, I was uncertain if ᎦᏂᏝᎢ is the right word for animals. I shared alternatives to that spelling at Talk:ᎦᏂᏝᎢ. Do you have any thoughts? Many thanks! And best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 20:39, 25 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

As I said above, I am less than a good speaker, so I guess I failed. 2011 is too long ago to remember what sources I was studying from, but clearly I got excited to learn something new and added a page that was wrong? From the grouping it is pretty clear I thought I learned how to classify animals scientifically, but that is clearly wrong as you point out. Should be redirected or renamed, I think the list is somewhat useful though. Although I suppose the subsets of the list (although I didn't make them) should be checked too. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 01:00, 27 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Ah no worries, and thanks for the reply! I don't think there's any rush to do anything with ᏛᎿᎢ ᏙᎪᏪᎸ. Perhaps it's a good idea for an article based on a good source you were using. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 01:47, 27 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

@Biosthmors@Nesnad@Ooswesthoesbes The Cherokee word for animals is ᎡᎿᎢ and for animal is ᎦᎾᏝᎢ. ᎦᎾᏝᎢ is Gan(a)tlai where the "a" is silent and only added to bring the word into compliance with Sequoyah's Syllabary. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:46, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

It looks like there was some classroom and/or Cherokee Nation involvement here back in 2009 on ᏣᎳᎩ ᏧᎾᏕᎶᏆᏍᏗ (the article for Tsalagi Dideloquasdi, the Cherokee Immersion School) and ᏪᏌ, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 18:28, 27 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Multilingual Shared Templates and Modules

Hello chr-wiki community! (Please help translate to your language)

I recently organized a project to share templates and modules between wikis. It allows modules and templates to be “language-neutral”, and store all text translations on Commons. This means that it is enough to copy/paste a template without any changes, and update the translations separately. If someone fixes a bug or adds a new feature in the original module, you can copy/paste it again without any translation work. My bot DiBabelYurikBot can help with copying. This way users can spend more time on content, and less time on updating and copying templates. Please see project page for details and ask questions on talk page.

P.S. I am currently running for the Wikimedia board, focusing on content and support of multi-language communities. If you liked my projects like maps, graphs, or this one, I will be happy to receive your support. (any registered user group can vote). Thank you! --Yurik (talk) 05:59, 11 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

Question

Hello all! I'm Jonathan. I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, but this is my first time here on the Cherokee Wikipedia. Nice to meet everyone! I was wondering if anyone is still trying to revive this wiki. If so, who's still here? What's being done? Is there any way I could help? I live in North Carolina, so I thought maybe I could try to get in touch with local Cherokee. I don't have any personal relations to the Cherokee people, and don't speak Cherokee, but after reading that Cherokee is on the verge of becoming extinct I was hoping I could help out in some way... Does anyone know of any good Cherokee language learning materials? Are any Cherokee speakers currently working on this wiki? What are some topics that need articles? Are there any decent translation tools from languages with many good articles into Cherokee? What are some of the best existing articles on this wiki? Might it make sense to try to write some decent articles in English about topics that are relevant to the Cherokee people, and then try to translate them into Cherokee? Here are some topics that I think might be relevant:

• anything about the Cherokee language
• Cherokee ceremonies, rituals, etc
• Modern Cherokee people (the various tribes, areas with significant Cherokee populations, etc)
• Cherokee schools, immersion programs
• important Cherokee literature
• Cherokee language learning materials (maybe have a section in the wiki that provides links to such materials)? My idea is to help anyone who is interested learn enough Cherokee to be able to write basic articles for this wiki.

If there's anything I can do to help out, let me know! JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (talk) 02:55, 30 ᏚᏂᏅᏗ 2019 (UTC)

Hi! :) I'm still regularly watching this wiki for since of life or vandalism, but it has gone quiet recently. The general lack of knowledge of the Cherokee language prevents us from doing anything more than remove incorrect automatic translations and other clean-up activities.

The overall poor quality of the articles seems to put off any true speakers of the language, which is unfortunate. If you happen to be in contact with any of them, you can always point out that we need their help! :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:36, 30 ᏚᏂᏅᏗ 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so quickly, and nice to meet you!

Currently I only know one person of Cherokee ancestry, a good friend of mine. He doesn't speak Cherokee, but I can check if he's in contact with anyone who does, perhaps his extended family.

Beyond that, do you know of any wikis that focus on Cherokee affairs? Even if not necessarily written in Cherokee, perhaps such wikis might be helpful in preserving Cherokee culture... And in the other direction, do you know of any other Wikimedia Foundation projects that deal with Cherokee matters? JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (talk) 17:39, 30 ᏚᏂᏅᏗ 2019 (UTC)

It's always worth trying, so of course you can ask :)

As far as I'm aware, we've got the Cherokee Wikipedia, and a lot of Cherokee affairs on the English Wikipedia, but I don't know of any wiki that focusses solely on Cherokee. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:26, 31 ᏚᏂᏅᏗ 2019 (UTC)

Hello

I am from the english wikipedia. If you need anything from me let me know. I am on the SWMT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bobherry Bobherry (talk) 04:23, 17 ᎧᎦᎵ 2020 (UTC) en:User:Bobherry

Greetings

I am very honored to find such a discussion like this. I will promote this with the (http://www.cherokeeheritage.org/) Cherokee Heritage Center the next time I am able to communicate with them. Perhaps that will get some interest going. This is a perfect way to keep the written language alive. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 10:35, 4 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

Greetings from a long time avid pursuer of Cherokee, who can sort of pronounce Cherokee words and recognize an occasional word. I've memorized the syllabary and can sing the first verse of Amazing Grace. I do try very hard to be accurate, although I know very little.

I could type in things in the language ( at least when using my phone, not this Chromebook ). Oops, not logged in. I am Anijilvsgi/ R. D. Flowers.

I am retired and have some time available, and am willing to do work for the language and this wiki, that needs only a little knowledge of the language. I do have some reference material, including the 27 lesson language book. I could type lists from it and other sources, and even short reasonable use conversational passages.

I live in Chattanooga, TN, and have only a 1/64 traceable Cher ancestry (of which I am proud). I have many issues of the Journal of Cherokee Studies, and if given permission by the copyright holders, could even type in stories and/or articles from it.

There is someone more knowledgeable by far than me, that I will approach to see if he will get involved here. 172.58.4.55 08:00, 30 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2021 (UTC)

ᏏᏲ, There's already several other avenues the 3 bands CN, UKB and EBC are using to preserve and keep the syllabary and language relevant in every day life, here in Oklahoma all 14 counties within the boundaries of the nation are free language classes, there's 8 colleges that teach all aspects of the language (prefixes, suffixes, tons and glottal stop), Tahlequah and The Qualla in North Carolina have immersion schools. There's online classes through Cherokee Nation Language department, RSU College in a joint effort has also posted the series called Cherokee Lesson 1and 2 which is 96 beginning to intermediate classes on YouTube for free. All of these and other current resources ect are Approval and Accredited through and by all of the Cherokee Nation. Not just a open source where anyone can easily improperly use, distort or just corrupt the use of the syllabaries giving a wrong impression of usage of our language.("Example in another comment the user used the syllabary based on the english phonetic spelling to write the word Wikipedia (ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ = wikiquediya) obviously they don't grasp our language and this is absolutely 100% Not how the syllabary is used. Our language is based on sounds and the description those sounds convey.) (Example; ᏗᎧᏁᎢᏍᏗ ᏕᎦᏛᎬᎢ is used mean dictionary, even though the actual meaning is roughly "the written collection of knowledgeable, intelligent, informative papers acquired/accumulated in one book/series/collection ect.) There's over 2 thousand ways prefixes and suffixes can be used to change a meaning of a root word. For someone that has hear and understands the basics of our language to develop conversational skills it takes 40+ hours a week for 2 years. On Mar 5, 2023 and Aug 30, 2023 a total of 12 citizens graduated the The Cherokee Language Master Apprentice Program, ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 08:13, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

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Related conversation about Scots Wikipedia

Siyo! There's an interesting discussion about the Scots Wikipedia happening over at Meta, maybe some of you have already seen it: m:Requests for comment/Disruptive editing on sco.wikipedia on an unparalleled scale. Apparently that wiki also has a catastrophic problem with poorly-translated content. While the context is a bit different (chr's bad machine translations vs. sco's bad human translations) the resulting problems are similar. I'll be interested to see what approach they take to resolving them. --R12ntech (talk) 17:23, 26 ᎦᎶᏂᎢ 2020 (UTC)

Wado, R12ntech. There are similarities. Hopefully our solution here is to link up with fluent speakers aided by the Cherokee Nation and/or Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians to promote this wiki as a useful tool and beneficial to the preservation of the culture and language of the Cherokee at-large.Tsistunagiska (talk) 17:41, 11 ᏚᎵᎢᏍᏗ 2020 (UTC)

Speaking of bad machine translations: The first translator I found on google gives the name of this page as "I am going to Beer-sheba; near the blacks of the same." Which is obviously BS. Casualdejekyll (talk) 00:19, 30 ᎧᏩᏂ 2022 (UTC)

Well I'll inform you; Dr Durbin Feeling compiled the first Cherokee Dictionary in 1975, since 2001 The Cherokee Nation, UKB United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee's and the Eastern Band of Cherokee's have been participate together creating reference materials, immersion school, since 16 we've started online classes and several other appropriate and approved resources for the preservation of our language, culture and heritage without influences from ("Foreign or other outside people/groups".) We also have Fluent First Language Cherokee Speaks or Fluent second language specks that are also certified teachers/professors in these colleges where Cherokee is taught; the University of Oklahoma, Northeastern State University, Rogers State University, Western Carolina University, the University of North Carolina, the University of Arkansas, Stanford University and the University of Kansas. RSU with the approval of CN have posted a series of 96 videos on YouTube, they are an intermediate series for those who already have a understanding of our language and the complexity of glottal stops, tones and the thousands of combinations of prefixes and suffixes so each syllabary can describe what it's meant too. (All without corruption of outside influences.) ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 06:12, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in the UCoC conversation

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Cherokee localization for Telegram!

Hello, Cherokee Wikipedia editors. I don't speak Cherokee, but I'm here to tell you that, since this week, Telegram has a platform for localizing/translating the app to Cherokee language. You have to join the translation discussion group here to begin translating the Telegram app: https://t.me/translation_tsalagi Thank you!

How can I help to expand?

Hey there! This is an editor from Tagalog Wikipedia, and I was wondering if I could help expand Cherokee Wikipedia. How can I decode the alphabet? Do you know any reputable online translators for Cherokee? If there is no online translator, is there a trusted person that I can contact? Thanks! ~~~~

no, no, and no. But thanks. :) Seb az86556 (talk) 19:05, 7 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2021 (UTC)

ᏏᏲ, Contact Cherokee Nation language department for all approved materials to learn more about our language, everything else is not approved by the CN and is extremely easy to be corrupted by those who don't actually understand our language and are using the English phonetic spelling of the syllabaries to write in syllabary corrupting the correct use of the syllabaries, (such as this example ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ from another comment below trying to write Wikipedia in syllabary usingthe phonetic spelling wigiquediya, which means absolutely nothing and it's obvious they don't realize our language and words are descriptive sounds not the english alphabetical spellings which is just used for teaching non speakers the sounds of each syllabary (This is the word for a dictionary or rather the description for dictionary ᏗᎧᏁᎢᏍᏗ ᏕᎦᏛᎬᎢ, it roughly means a large collection of useful, knowledgeable, intelligent informative words compiled together on paper in one location!) Also several other languages like Chinese, Korean, Japanese have some similar English alphabetical spellings of their language and think they can apply our syllabary to their own language or translate our language into theirs, our words and descriptions are not even remotely close to each other.

Through the CN you can download Free ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 04:16, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

Also the best reference online cherokee directory is Cherokee-English Dictionary Online Database https://www.cherokeedictionary.net/?noresults=true ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 04:43, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes, translators are not good. Use a dictionary.

Yes, here is a Cherokee script generator/decoder (you can do either Latin to Cherokee script or Cherokee to Latin script). I don't know of any (good) machine translators for Cherokee (apparently the Cherokee Nation is helping Google Translate add Cherokee and the Google search engine is available in Cherokee), so I would recommend using an online dictionary.

Country list in Cherokee

Hi, I just have been contributing (note I'm Australian so I don't know HEAPS of Cherokee) and I found an online list of every country and dependency name in Cherokee (written in Cherokee script). Feel free to view it here. It would be useful so we can A expand this Wikipedia and get to 1,000 articles and B so we can (eventually) make a Cherokee version of en:List of sovereign states. Thanks. 144.136.10.9 05:55, 20 ᏚᎵᎢᏍᏗ 2021 (UTC)

Unless any of those countries or anything is approved by the Cherokee Nation and ᏣᎳᎩ ᎠᏂᏬᏂᏍᎩ ᎤᎾᏓᏡᎬ The Cherokee language consortium department it's just meaningless gibberish and a absolute misuse and horrible misrepresentation of my people and our language. ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 03:01, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

Select You the question statements for candidates of Drafting Committee Movement Charter

Into 2021-10-04 11:59:59 UTC you can select question statements for the candidates of Drafting Committee Movement Charter. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 22:01, 29 ᏚᎵᎢᏍᏗ 2021 (UTC)

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Project namespace name

Hello Chrwiki folks! I noticed that MassMessages to this page are failing to arrive, because it is not configured as an actual "Project:" namespace, but is simply a page in the main (content) namespace with a prefix of "ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:"

If you would like this changed, you can just follow the instructions at m:Requesting wiki configuration changes#How to request a change. (I.e. File a Phabricator task, confirming the details of what you want the "Project:" namespace to be localized as.)

Additionally, in your request, it might help to note that there are 3 pages (and 1 redirect) which you'd like moved: https://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:&namespace=0 (If I understand correctly)

I hope that information helps! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:13, 3 ᎠᏄᏱ 2022 (UTC)

ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ means nothing! First; You're using the english phonetic spelling to determine the spelling of each syllabary and Not the actual Sound of each syllabary. The qu sounds of Ꮖ Ꮗ Ꮘ Ꮙ Ꮚ Ꮛ are represented phonetically pronounced as the qu in “quite” or gw in “Gwyneth.” ( Ꮗ=que ) The ( e ) isn't pronounced as an english (E ) like in Wiki-(pe)-dia but as the "SOUND" ( e ) as in egg and occasionally as an ( a ) as in hay and most definitely not as (Pee/pE). If you were to say ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ to me I would snicker because it means nothing and I'll bet you'd incorrectly pronounced it.

Ꮻ= wi = pronounced as hwE breathe out h and WE

Ꭹ= gi/ki = depending on word, dialect, again the (i) is pronounced as a E as in gee or key

Ꮗ= que as in = quest (que)st

Ꮧ= di = dee as in = December (De)cember

Ꮿ= ya = as in yawning - breathing outwardly (h)(Yah)wning. So you're actual pronunciation of ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ is (wEkEquedEya) which means nothing, (Example: ᏗᎧᏁᎢᏍᏗ ᏕᎦᏛᎬᎢ, roughly meaning a large collection of knowledgeable/intellectual informative written words compiled on paper) or the Dictionary.) The Cherokee language is a Descriptive Language through a combination of sounds Not alphabets. The only one's and I Definitely mean the Only One's with the rights, understanding and abilities to create New Cherokee words are my chosen elders! ᏣᎳᎩ ᎠᏂᏬᏂᏍᎩ ᎤᎾᏓᏡᎬ ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 02:30, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

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Hello

Hello there to anyone who sees this. I have been lurking around looking at this wiki for the past couple of months or so and have decided to finally try and get involved. I don't know much Cherokee, but I have been trying to learn. I'm posting here to see if there is anyone who is still active on this project who can fill me in on what is happening right now. A cursory glance at Special:RecentChanges shows that most of the recent changes have been made by a couple of IP users, with some edits by logged in users appearing here and there. To be honest, I'm not really expecting anyone to respond to this post, but I do hope that there is someone who still cares about this project.

Thanks,
-- Waffledogefern (talk) 05:03, 17 ᏚᏃᎸᏔᏂ 2023 (UTC)

ᏒᏙᏂ ᎤᎵᏰᏍᏗ (talk) 23:57, 9 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

Plans to enable Content and Section translation tool in Cherokee Wikipedia

Hello Cherokee Wikipedians!

Apologies as this message is not in your native language, Please help translate to your language.

The WMF Language team is pleased to let you know that we will like to enable the Section and Content translation tool in Cherokee Wikipedia. For this, our team will love you to read about the tool and test the new Section Translation tool so you can:

• Give us your feedback

• Ask us questions

• Tell us how to improve it

Below is background information about the tools and how you can test the Section translation tool.

Background information

Content Translation has been a successful tool for editors to create content in their language. More than one million articles have been created across all languages since the tool was released in 2015. However, the tool is not out of beta in Cherokee Wikipedia, limiting the discoverability of the tool and its use and blocking the enablement of the Section translation in your Wikipedia

Section Translation extends the capabilities of Content Translation to support mobile devices. On mobile, the tool will:

• Guide you to translate one section at a time in order to expand existing articles or create new ones

• Make it easy to transfer knowledge across languages anytime from your mobile device

We plan to enable the tools on Cherokee Wikipedia in 2 weeks if there are no objections from your community. After it is enabled, we’ll monitor the content created with the tools and process all the feedback. In any case, feel free to raise any concerns or questions you may already have as a reply to this message or on the project talk page

Try the Section translation tool

Before the enablement, you can try the current implementation of the tool in our testing instance. Once it is enabled, you’ll have access to https://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation with your mobile device. You can select an article to translate, and machine translation will be provided as a starting point for editors to improve.

Provide feedback

Please provide feedback about Section translation on the project talk page. We want to  hear about your impressions on

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Thanks and we look forward to your feedback and questions.

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Use Accredited Cherokee Language Approved Materials And Sites

ᏏᏲ/Hi for the non Cherokee speaker with zero understanding the only approved sites for learning the Correct Cherokee language are from the Cherokee Nations language department, which is run by a committee of chosen members who represents EBC (North Carolina Eastern Band Cherokee's), UKB( United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee's) and CN (Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma), they are fluent first language speaker and fluent second language speakers all with a great understanding of the language. To actually understand the Cherokee language first one has to totally grasp the understanding of how our language works, which you will not understand reading a few articles about our language because it just can't describe it in enough detail and it has to also be heard. College Students with basic knowledge and understanding of our language who are Cherokee with relatives that speak the language have to be completely immersed for 40+ hours a week for two years Upon completion, participants are expected to be, at minimum, conversational lvl. There's 85 syllabaries (there was originally 86) each syllabary represents a particular sound, today alongside each syllabary is a phonetic example of the sounds written out with english alphabet, (the alphabet Don't represent the syllabary but the syllabary represents the each sound.) A single syllabary/sound can represent a word where just a few syllabaries together can convey/represent an entire phrase. Being that Cherokee is a descriptive language saying something wrong can mean the difference between getting water (written ᎠᎹ, pronounced ama) or (salt ᎠᎹ pronounced aama) in either example the (a) sound islikethe(a) in (saw) it's just the (aa) is a drawn-out sound. Just a simple example. 2600:387:1:817:0:0:0:89 10:39, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

changing the syllabary will 2600:387:1:817:0:0:0:89 10:56, 10 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2023 (UTC)

w:Clingmans Dome/Kuwohi

I’m just curious as to why the most sacred mountain to the Cherokee is NOT listed in the Cherokee Wikipedia? Hurricane Clyde (talk) 16:57, 24 ᏚᎵᎢᏍᏗ 2024 (UTC)

Ꮩ ᎤᏍᏗ ᎢᏣᏛᏁᎠ?

ᎢᎦᏓ ᏕᎪᏪᎸ Ꮭ ᎣᏍᏓ ᏱᎩ! ᎠᏩᎴᎾᎯᏓ ᏥᎪᎵᏯ ᎾᎮᎾ 'bots' ᎢᏳᏍᏗᏳ ᎨᎲ ᏕᏣᏗᎰ ᏧᏃᏪᎳᏅ ᏣᏩᏕᎶᎰᏌ "Ꮭ ᎣᏍᏗ ᏯᏃᎵᎦ" ᎠᏪᎵᏒ. Ꮎ ᎩᎶ ᎡᏣᏃᏎᎸ ᎠᏂᏬᏂᏍᎩ ᎤᎾᎾᏔ ᎥᏍᎩ ᏣᎳᎩ ᎤᏂᏬᏂᎯᏍᏗ ᎨᏒ ᎤᏅᏌ ᏍᏊᎢᎦ ᎢᏣᏛᏛᏍᏓ! ᏲᎵᎦ ᎮᎾ ᎣᏍᏓ ᏂᏗᏨᏂᏗ ᎠᏯᏍᏊ ᏂᏓᎦᏛᏁᎵ 'account' ᏓᎪᏢᏂ ᏍᎩᏳᏍᏗ ᎣᏍᏗ ᏂᏗᎬᏂᏗᏃ ᎦᏬᏂᏍᎩ ᏴᏗ ᎢᏳᏍᏗ ᏓᎪᏪᎳᏂ ᏱᏣᎵᏓᏍᏔᎾ ᎣᏏᏭ ᏱᏄᎵᏍᏔᏁ ᏱᎨᏎ ᏱᎪᎵᎦ ᎠᏎᏍᎩᏂᏲ 'bots' Ꮭ ᎪᎱᏍᏗ ᏱᏁᎵᎠ ᎡᏍᎦ ᏂᎦᎵᏍᏙᏗ ᎾᎿ ᎣᎩᏬᏂᎯᏍᏗ ᎤᎵᏍᎨᏛ ᎨᏒ ᏃᏅ ᏍᎩ ᏂᏚᏍᏓ ᏂᏗᏨᎾ Ꮭ ᏱᎰᏩ ᏂᎦᎵᏍᏗᏍᎬᎢ ᏦᏥᏬᏂᏍᎬᎢ ᏦᏣᏕᎶᏆᏍᎬᎢᏅ 174.202.169.224 00:43, 12 ᏚᏂᏅᏗ 2024 (UTC)

Final Reminder: Join us in Making Wiki Loves Ramadan Success

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We’re thrilled to announce the Wiki Loves Ramadan event, a global initiative to celebrate Ramadan by enhancing Wikipedia and its sister projects with valuable content related to this special time of year. As we organize this event globally, we need your valuable input to make it a memorable experience for the community.

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Sign up for the language community meeting on November 29th, 16:00 UTC

Hello everyone,

The next language community meeting is coming up next week, on November 29th, at 16:00 UTC (Zonestamp! For your timezone <https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000>). If you're interested in joining, you can sign up on this wiki page: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024>.

This participant-driven meeting will be organized by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Language Product Localization team and the Language Diversity Hub. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Moore Wikipedia, and the language support track at Wiki Indaba. We will also have members from the Wayuunaiki community joining us to share their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community within our movement. This meeting will have a Spanish interpretation.

Looking forward to seeing you at the language community meeting! Cheers, Srishti 19:54, 21 ᏄᏓᏕᏆ 2024 (UTC)